This'll probably go on awhile. Sorry.
Anyhow, something interesting's occurred to me, and that's how similar The Punisher is to Spider-Man. And seeing as how he was introduced as a Spider-Man supporting character, I can't help but wonder if I've been missing a lot of intentional parallels.
What struck me is how direct the both of them are. One thing I love about Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man* is the character's directness. A line that sticks in my head comes from Ultimate Spider-Man #127. The context is that various billion-dollar corporations have been trying to espionage and murder their way into capturing Eddie Brock and using the symbiote to make more billions.
“Money. That's all this is ever about. One person wants another person's money. Makes me want to scream. Money.”
Ahh love that line. This private war all these brilliant, untouchable people are fighting, and he's just disgusted in the purest and most righteous sense.
Spidey gets a lot of lectures in Ultimate Spider-Man from villains such as the Kingpin, telling him that he really needs to grow up, that the world is an adult world full of lawyers and politics and gray, ambiguous complexities. He's treated as this alien presence throwing himself against it. May I quote Spidey's arch-nemesis Norman Osborn from Ellis' Thunderbolts #11? The context is Norman losing it a bit and monologuing to himself.
“'Are you a self-proclaimed super hero?' 'Why, shucks, sir, I sure am a regular guy in bad underpants who fights crime without understanding one damn thing about how the world works, yes.'”
“Without understanding one damn thing about how the world works.” That is utterly terrific. Norman was a billionaire CEO who was involved in shady, illegal dealings before he went nuts and started chucking bombs and snapping necks. Then he used money, political favors, media manipulation, and a whole bunch of blackmail, murder, and other illegal activities to beat the rap and regain his position of wealth and prominent social status. Then, when he was uncovered again and thrown into prison, he used the exact same tactics to get himself appointed as the head of the defacto Department of Homeland Security. This is a guy who says, “Good and evil are imperfect societal constructs that can only be enforced so well. They're just a balance of personal risk and reward, and the more money and power you have, the less the risk and the greater the reward. And I am going to get so much money and power.” In Norman's world, buying, lying, cheating, stealing, and killing your way to the top are the preferred methods because they are the most effective, and anybody who says otherwise needs to read their Machiavelli and stop their bitching.
And then Spider-Man swings up and double-kicks him right in the face, and we all cheer because goddammit that guy is a wrongdoer and deserves to be kicked in the face! Spider-Man says “Whatever.” In the name of right, he goes out and faces death, danger, imprisonment, public hatred, personal problems, and constant demoralization, and simply stops those doing wrong. He slams himself against these worlds they've built up over and over without hesitation and against great adversity until the clockwork mechanisms underpinning their status are shaken lose. And that is right.
Good God I love Spider-Man.
The Punisher... Well, he's the king of direct. Well-connected gangster? Corrupt cop? Untouchable CEO? He just goes and cuts through all that red tape. He has that same very simple-minded righteous assault mentality towards wrongdoers. But Frank... he understands that adult world, that “natural order.” He's a Vietnam vet, he intimately gets adults with power screwing things up. He's part of it, or at least has one foot in it. He's more in the position of betrayer than interloper. Nobody calls Frank's rampages “immature” or “confused.” In fact, they don't call it much of anything, they just try to batten down the hatches as he storms through. They respect him, as a highly-competent “grown-up” operator.
I think it's a matter of expectations. They're at opposite ends of the spectrum. Spidey is outside of that grown-up “natural order.” He's the everyman, the type who supposedly wants to go to his job and do the least work possible and get a big fat cookie at the end of the day, as the Kingpin would say. He's stepping out of line in challenging these powerful, corrupting systems. And that's very unusual. He has strong, unusual beliefs that these power brokers are not used to seeing. Frank, on the other hand, has been run through those systems. He knows them, intimately. Like Spider-Man, he knows that they're bullshit, but he knows from experience. It's a sense of “Oh shit, he knows what's up!” When the villains talk to him (rare as that is), they don't try to lie to him, the Kingpin doesn't try to tell him that his being powerful is natural and right. Because it isn't. And they both know it.
Peter, the idealistic outsider, and Frank, the cynical insider, both of them lead to the same conclusion. That's interesting.